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Worth upgrading to Mountain Lion or stick with Snow Leopard?

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Post time: 2013-01-16 16:55:55 |Show all posts
A few weeks ago some of you helped me navigate the pros/cons of buying a spanking new Imac vs a mid 2011 (I decided the 2011 was plenty worthy). I thank you for that, and now I want to ask: if I were to get a mid 2011 Imac, is it worth to upgrade to the latest OS, or is sticking with Snow Leopard (my current OS) fine?
I'm using some older software like FCP 6 and its associated suite of programs, and probably plenty of other applications I'm not thinking of at the moment, that I got back in '08 or so when I got the Imac I have now. I think I've heard that Lion/Mountain is a total overhaul of the OS compared to Snow Leopard, and that makes me wonder if there are compatibility issues/problems associated with trying to use these older pieces of software with the new OS. What are the super amazing benefits of Lion or Mountain Lion vs Snow Leopard? Are they worth it? Do the aforementioned issues exist? Thanks.
   
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Post time: 2013-01-19 09:19:01 |Show all posts
Well, if you want to pursue it, I'd call Apple (you're under warranty!) and ask if they can confirm which build and OS version it came with since it's a mid 2011, so it could have either installed.
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1159


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Post time: 2013-01-19 07:55:56 |Show all posts
So heres an update: got the mac, apparently already has ML installed, guy at apple store said id its a mid 2011 must have shipped with lion, couldnt fathom that it might have shipped with SL, and he knew of no way to check. So thats where i be at right now.
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Post time: 2013-01-19 06:04:17 |Show all posts
Ok, that's what I figured. Guess they haven't implemented a feature in Time Machine yet where you can tell it "NEVER ERASE THIS PARTICULAR BACKUP!" (e.g. the very first one you make, your "stable" built). . .a setting to let it erase/overwrite everything else as needed when the drive fills up, but keep that particular backup locked/protected from erasure. The act of being erased, that is. Not the band.
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Post time: 2013-01-19 04:40:50 |Show all posts
Time Machine keeps incremental backups - so you can 'go back in time' and restore your drive from a particular date. A clone is different - it takes a one-time 'snapshot' of your drive. This allows you to restore your system as it was when you took that one 'snapshot'.
I use both methods - I keep both the 'incremental' backups, via Time Machine, and a 'one-time' snapshot of my internal drive. As I said, one clone I'll use for a 'stable' system release and the other two as daily snapshots.
Clear? If not, call back.
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Post time: 2013-01-19 03:16:33 |Show all posts
Ah, ok gotcha. We may have been over this so again, forgive me, but how would a TM backup differ from a clone of one's entire drive?
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Post time: 2013-01-19 01:44:02 |Show all posts
Just in case you do backup your entire drive - apps and all: that's what a clone is. I keep two 'working' clones and one 'release' clone. As a developer, I'm often running on pre-release software so I keep a clone of the 'stable release' as a backup and two 'scheduled' clone backups of my internal drive. I also keep two Time Machine backups - I'm a fool for backing up, coming from a long history with mainframes.
So if you're going to clone your current drive, you should get a drive of equal size. If you just want a 'recovery' drive, you can create a USB stick of 8GB+ to do a fresh install of Mountain Lion. I've two of these, as well.
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Post time: 2013-01-19 00:05:18 |Show all posts
Forgive me. . .if the idea is to have a pristine (I'm assuming that means with no apps installed, etc.) clone of the OS, and the OS is 4GB, why do you need a drive the same size as your internal?
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Post time: 2013-01-18 22:08:10 |Show all posts
Yes. Get an external drive roughly the same size as your internal drive (they're relatively cheap these days), connect it to your Mac and format iit using Disk Utility ("Mac OS Extended (Journaled)" with a single GUID partition, and then use Carbon Copy Cloner to clone your internal drive to the external drive.
Pretty simple (and cheap) to do....
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Post time: 2013-01-18 20:16:59 |Show all posts
So when you guys talk about clones, are we talking an additional external drive with nothing else on it? Like if the clone is on that drive, nothing else can be?
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Post time: 2013-01-18 18:26:22 |Show all posts
I don't use a stick (preferring clones), so I can't speak from personal experience, but here are the instructions:
http://www.macrumors.com/2012/07/25/create-a-bootable-mountain-lion-usb-key-inst aller/
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Post time: 2013-01-18 16:45:25 |Show all posts
Can I install a fresh install using a 16-gig USB Stick? I do have a full backup on an external USB 1-terrabyte drive I use with Time Machine but was wondering about the stick. Will it boot from it and install like a DVD drive would? I'm still getting a Super Drive in the next few weeks as I've never had a new Mac (just bought a new Mini about a week ago).
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Post time: 2013-01-18 15:35:49 |Show all posts
Agreed - it wastes resources, time, and bandwidth allowances which most ISPs have. I have two bootable clones (one pristine, done from a fresh install, only to be used if I need to start over) and one being kept current for every OS version I have (SL, Lion, and Mountain Lion).
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Post time: 2013-01-18 14:10:09 |Show all posts
Thanks. I'm used to discs. This downloading apps stuff is MADNESS!!!!!!!!
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Post time: 2013-01-18 13:02:26 |Show all posts
Good luck with your new Mac and post back if you have any questions once you have it (and you've talked to the Apple store). Keep in mind that the new mantra is download the entire OS (if needed) - that's great with anyone with a lightening speed connection, but that's why most people recommend a full backup so you can recover without having to download it again. My connection speed is not the fastest and it takes quite a while; I've heard of others with a slower connection waiting several hours.
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Post time: 2013-01-18 11:37:54 |Show all posts
Well, I've been given a lot to think about. It's being delivered to a local Apple Store, so I'll likely have a talk with them about all this as well.
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Post time: 2013-01-18 10:36:04 |Show all posts
Nah, not at all scary. With the new delivery method of digital downloads for the OS, I would suggest making a bootable clone copy of your system fresh out of the box. That way, you'd have a pristine clone to restore/recover without having to download the large 4 GB installer again.
So, once you'd have the bootable clone, you can erase your internal drive - no harm done because you can clone it back in very little time. I've gone through it several times.
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Post time: 2013-01-18 08:56:45 |Show all posts
Hmm. Now that all sounds very scary and precarious. Prescarious, if you will. Maybe I'll just bite the bullet and euthanize the leopard.
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Post time: 2013-01-18 06:59:15 |Show all posts
But you do have to check with Apple on the original build number (which determined the OS version). You will then need to make sure you make a bootable clone of your system first because you need to be able to recover if necessary and boot from another source. I've read a couple of different posts here - one stated that it would work by booting from a clone, erasing the hard drive, reformatting it and then clone back your OS to one partition and install SL on the other. Also read in another post that this did not work for someone, but they were able to install SL on an external hard drive. So you may have to experiment - the first hurdle however is the build/OS the machine came with. Good luck with that!
I use SL occasionally for a couple of PPC apps with features which I cannot find a suitable substitute for.
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Post time: 2013-01-18 05:01:38 |Show all posts
Intriguing. So (if possible) keep FCS2 (instead of upgrading to 3), install it on the SL partiation, do the more modern stuff on the L/ML partition.
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